WASHINGTON – The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack is holding its ninth public hearing after proceedings scheduled for the end of September were postponed because of Hurricane Ian. This is the first hearing since July.
Committee members have not shared official details or a witness list, but Committee Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., told reporters the hearing will include information that has developed over the summer. The committee’s final report is expected this fall.
In a tweet sent late Wednesday, the committee said it would present “key facts we’ve uncovered during our investigation.”
“The Select Committee has developed a massive body of evidence,” Thompson said in a statement on Sept. 12. “It hasn’t always been easy … because the same people who drove the former President’s pressure campaign to overturn the election are now trying to cover up the truth about Jan. 6th.”
The Washington Post reported Wednesday the committee plans to highlight recently obtained Secret Service records and video footage that reveal Trump was continuously alerted to the violence on Jan. 6 and did not stop it, according to three people familiar with the records.
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It is expected the committee may also focus on Roger Stone, a confidant of former President Donald Trump, and his efforts to keep Trump in power following the 2020 election. Stone was behind the “Stop the Steal” movement that falsely claimed Trump won the 2020 election and had close contact with two right-wing extremist groups involved in the Jan. 6 attack.
The Jan. 6 committee reportedly plans to show documentary footage revealing additional information about Stone in Thursday’s hearing, which takes place less than a month before the midterm elections.
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Hearing day 8 recap: What we learned from the eighth Jan. 6 hearings
During the last public hearing on July 21, the special congressional committee focused on former Trump’s inaction in stopping his supporters from swarming the Capitol.
As the hearing ended, Vice Chair Liz Cheney, who lost her primary in August to Trump-backed candidate Harriet Hageman, said the committee had found more evidence and new witnesses had come forward.
“We have considerably more to do,” she said.
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Since that hearing, the legal landscape for one of the committee’s key targets – Trump – has shifted significantly following the FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago estate and a lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James against Trump, his company and three of his adult children alleging fraud.
The latest:
- RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel says Trump called her, along with John Eastman, who explained to McDaniel the need for the RNC to help Trump’s campaign gather “contingent electors” in case the results of any elections changed. That was part of fake electors scheme, Rep. Stephanie Murphy, D-Fla., explained.
- Alex Cannon, former Trump campaign lawyer, said he told Mark Meadows in mid-to-late November that no fraud was being found that would change results in key states. Meadows replied, so “there’s no there there.”
- Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Trump rushed to complete “unfinished business” before leaving office. Trump signed a memo on Nov. 11, ordering the large-scale, immediate withdrawal of troops in Somalia and Afghanistan. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair Gen. Mark Milley said the order was “non-standard” and militarily not feasible.
- Trump’s “false victory speech” was planned well in advance of Election Day, regardless of results, committee member Rep. Zoe Lofgren said.
- Trump confidant Roger Stone told Danish filmmakers on Nov. 1, 2020, that then-president needed to declare victory no matter the results. “Possession is nine-tenths of the law,” he said.
- Chair Rep. Bennie Thompson said the committee is meeting Thursday not as a hearing but as an official business meeting, which allows for committee vote on proposed actions.
Committee: Trump knew he lost, but still lied to overturn the election
If there’s one point the committee wants to drive home, it is this: Trump knew he had lost the 2020 election, yet still made improper – and possibly illegal – efforts to overturn that loss to President Joe Biden.
The hearing has included videos from a variety of former aides, from Attorney General William Barr to lower-level lawyers, explaining why Trump’s claims of voter fraud were mistakes or simply lies.
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“Donald Trump maliciously repeated this nonsense to a wide audience over and over again,” said Rep. Elaine Luria. D-Va. “His intent was to deceive.”
– David Jackson
Scalia told Trump to concede to Biden
Eugene Scalia, the Trump administration’s Labor secretary, told the committee he spoke with Trump on Dec. 14, 2020 – the day Electoral College votes for president were certified, and told him the time had come to concede.
“I conveyed to him that I thought it was time for him to acknowledge that President Biden had prevailed in the election,” said Scalia, the son of late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.
Scalia said the campaign was over if legal challenges were exhausted and fraud not established.
“Unfortunately I believed what had to be done was concede the outcome,” Scalia said.
– Bart Jansen
Trump rushes to complete unfinished business, signs memo for large-scale troop withdrawal
Rep. Adam Kinzinger said once Trump knew he had lost the election, he rushed to complete unfinished business.
He cited how Trump acted immediately and signed an order on Nov. 11 requiring immediate withdrawal of troops from Somalia and Afghanistan to be completed before the Biden inauguration on Jan. 20.
“I personally thought it was military not feasible, nor wise,” said Gen, Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Gen. Keith Kellogg, the national security adviser for the president, said in video testimony he thought the memo “was a tremendous disservice to the nation.”
“An immediate departure that that memo said would have been catastrophic,” Kellogg said.
– Rachel Looker
Aide: Angry Trump told Meadows ‘I don’t want people to know that we lost.’
After the Supreme Court stopped his lawsuit related to the 2020 election from going forward, Trump became angry and tried to stop people from finding out that they lost the election, according to evidence presented by the Jan. 6 committee.
“Just FYI potus is pissed – breaking news – supreme court denied his law suit,” an email from a Secret Service agent on Dec. 11, 2020 said. “He is livid now”
POTUS is an acronym for President of the United States.
Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson said she and Chief of Staff Mark Meadows crossed paths with a “raging” and “fired up” Trump that day as he walked out of the oval office, who then told Meadows something to the effect of, “I don’t want people to know we lost, Mark. This is embarrassing. We need to figure it out. I don’t want people to know that we lost.”
– Erin Mansfield
Trump campaign aides repeatedly told him voter fraud claims were baseless
Trump’s campaign aides exhaustively reviewed each of the former president’s baseless claims of voter fraud but found nothing to invalidate the results of the 2020 election results, according to witnesses who spoke with the committee.
“There’s no ‘there’ there,” Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows told the former president, according to testimony.
Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien also relayed the reality to the former president. The Trump campaign team lost 65 lawsuits between the November election and Jan. 20 that sought to overturn election results.
“It’s an easier job be telling the president about, you know, wild allegations. It’s a harder job to be telling him on the back end that, yeah, that wasn’t true,” Stepien said to the committee.
– Joey Garrison
Aides said Trump admitted he lost 2020 election
Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two GOP members on the panel, outlined how after the election the former president’s campaign aides knew his chances of pulling out a victory were slim.
The committee showed a videotape testimony by former Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller, who said how they told Trump, “the odds of us prevailing… were very small.”
Kinzinger then played a clip of Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, saying how he lost and letting the “next guy” deal with foreign affairs.
Other former White House aides also told the committee how Trump acknowledged losing but wanted to keep fighting.
Alyssa Farah, a former White House communications director, said a week after the election was called, she “popped in the Oval (Office)” and that Trump said: “Can you believe I lost to this f-ing guy?”
– Phillip M. Bailey
Stone: ‘We won. You’re wrong.’
The committee showed clips of Roger Stone, a Republican political operative who is a confidant of Donald Trump, from a Danish documentary from director Christoffer Guldbrandsen
“I really do suspect it’ll still be up in the air,” Stone said of his expectations for election night 2020. “When that happens, the key thing to do is to claim victory. Possession is nine-tenths of the law. No, we won. You’re wrong.”
Stone was previously convicted of lying to Congress and other crimes, and sentenced to three years in prison. Trump pardoned him Dec. 23, 2020. Stone refused to answer questions from the committee by invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
But Stone met with Trump allies at the Willard Hotel near the White House on Jan. 5 and 6, according to Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. And he posted his advice to Trump on social media Dec. 27.
“I also told the president exactly how he can appoint a special counsel with full subpoena power to ensure those who are attempting to steal the 2020 election through voter fraud are charged and convicted and ensure Donald Trump continues as our president,” Stone said.
– Bart Jansen
Stone had close associations with Oath Keepers and Proud Boys
In the days leading up to and the day of the Capitol attack, longtime Trump advisor Roger Stone maintained direct connections to the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, far-right extremist groups that were on the Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the panel.
Members of those groups have been charged with seditious conspiracy – conspiring against the U.S. government.
“Multiple associates of Roger Stone from both the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys have been charged with this crime,” said committee member Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif.
Lofgren pointed to Stone’s associates who are currently under trial or who have already plead guilty to charges of seditious conspiracy such as Joshua James, leader of the Alabama Oath Keepers who pled guilty earlier this year.
– Ken Tran
Pence staff did not want to declare victory prior to official results
Staff members to Vice President Mike Pence were concerned with what Trump might do on election night regarding the results of the election, Rep. Zoe Lofgren said. She added that the vice president’s staff took steps to ensure Pence would not echo a false victory announcement from Trump.
The vice president’s staff indicated there was a possibility that there would be a declaration of victory, prior to election results being known, within the White House, she said.
Vice President Pence’s counsel Greg Jacob worked with Chief of Staff Mark Short to avoid Vice President Pence from being thrust into a position of having to comment on the election results without efficient information.
“It is essential that the vice president not be perceived by public as having decided questions concerning disputed electoral votes prior to the full development of all relevant facts,” according to a memo sent on election day that the Jan. 6 committee obtained from the National Archives.
– Rachel Looker
Draft statement ahead of election urged Trump to declare victory
An outside advisor to former President Donald Trump sent a draft statement to aides Molly Michael and Dan Scavino days before the 2020 election with language Trump could use to declare victory.
“We had an election today – and I won,” the draft statement from Tom Fitton sent Oct. 31 said. “The ballots counted by the Election Day deadline show the American people have bestowed up on me the great honor of reelection to President of the United States.”
There is no deadline to count ballots only on Election Day, and “everyone knew that ballot counting would lawfully continue past Election Day, said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. “Claiming that the counting on election night must stop was, as we now know, a key part of President Trump’s premeditated plan.”
– Erin Mansfield
Lofgren: Trump’s declaration of victory was part of plan to steal the election
The committee is revisiting one of the famous events of Election Night 2020 – Trump’s false declaration of victory.
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., noted that Trump and aides planned their “victory speech” well in advance, trying to convince Americans that the election was over and further counting of mail-in ballots was an effort to rig the result.
Calling the false declaration part of an effort to steal the election, Lofgren noted that allies like Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, and Brad Parscale helped prepare Trump’s premature declaration of victory.
“It was a premeditated plan by the president to declare victory no matter what the actual result was,” she said. “He made a plan to stay in office before Election Day.”
– David Jackson
Trump had ‘pre-meditated plan’ to reject election results, committee says
Trump campaign advisors told the former president on election night that it was premature to declare victory but he did anyway as part of a “pre-meditated plan,” according to the committee.
“It was far too early to many any calls like that,” Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien told the committee in videotaped testimony.
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a committee member, said Trump planned to exploit a “red mirage” that would show him ahead of Joe Biden before mail-ballots were counted. Trump attacked mail-ballots throughout the campaign, giving Biden a massive advantage among voters who voted absentee.
And yet Trump advisors advised the former president in the months before the election that mail-ballots could actually help him win.
“Mail-in ballots can be a good thing,” Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner told the committee, describing what was told to Trump
Stepien gave a similar account to the committee but said “the president’s mind was made up.”
– Joey Garrison
Cheney: Trump wasn’t ‘dupe’
In a blistering opening statement, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., who serves as the panel’s vice chair, warned that if some sort of action isn’t taken against the former president “another Jan. 6 could happen again.”
“President Trump knew from unassailable sources that his election fraud claims were false. He admitted he had lost the election,” she said.
Cheney, who lost her reelection bid in a GOP primary to a Trump-backed contender in August, has been a chief target of the former president’s ire. She reiterated during Thursday’s hearing how the former president was solely responsible for the attack.
“There is no defense that Donald Trump was duped or irrational,” she said. “No president can defy the rule of law and act this way in a constitutional republic—period.”
– Phillip M. Bailey
Cheney says “no guarantee” institutions will hold next time
Vice Chairwoman Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., warned of future presidencies that could emulate Trump’s efforts to overturn the election.
“A key lesson of this investigation is this: our institutions only hold when men and women of good faith make them hold, regardless of the political cost,” said Cheney.
“Any future president inclined to attempt what Donald Trump did in 2020 has now learned not to install people who could stand in the way,” Cheney warned.
– Ken Tran
Committee to present evidence from Secret Service
The Jan. 6 committee will present “new materials produced to the committee by the Secret Service,” Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said Thursday.
The committee found out after subpoenaing Secret Service records earlier this year that the agency had deleted text messages that staff made on Jan. 5 and 6, leading the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general to launch a criminal investigation.
More:Criminal probe of Secret Service texts a ‘big deal’ as agency draws Jan. 6 committee scrutiny
However, since the last hearing, the committee received about 800,000 pages of documents from the Secret Service, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said in September.
– Erin Mansfield
Cheney: Trump ‘central cause’ of Jan. 6 Capitol attack
The committee will explore during the hearing former President Donald Trump’s state of mind, intent and motivations in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election, according to the vice chairwoman, Rep. Liz Cheney.
She said Trump made his claims of a stolen election without evidence in hand and then spurred aides to spread lies about fraud.
“The vast weight of the evidence so far has shown us that the central cause of Jan. 6 was one man, Donald Trump, who many others followed,” said Cheney, R-Wyo. “None of this would have happened without him. He was personally and substantially involved in all of it.”
– Bart Jansen
Thompson hints at ‘further investigative action’ by the committee
Committee chairman Bennie Thompson previewed coming attractions by noting that this hearing is a also a “business meeting” – meaning the committee could take votes today on future investigative steps.
“In addition to presenting evidence, we can potentially hold a committee vote on further investigative action based upon that evidence,” Thompson said.
– David Jackson
Testimony came mostly from Republicans, chairman says
The evidence obtained by the Jan. 6 committee is not partisan and testimony came almost entirely from Republicans, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said in his opening statement.
Thompson said testimony came from former President Donald Trump’s closest aides and advisors, the highest officials in the Department of Justice, Republican state officials, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, and members of Trump’s own family, among others.
“It’s tough for any congressional investigation to obtain evidence of what we’ve seen, least of all such a detailed view into a president’s inner circle,” Thompson said.
– Erin Mansfield
Jan. 6 panel promises ‘never-before-seen footage’ before hearing begins
The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol says it will show “never-before-seen footage” during Thursday’s public hearing and “more details about the ongoing threat to American democracy.”
That’s according to a tweet from the Jan. 6 committee posted shortly before the hearing is set to begin at 1 p.m. EDT.
Thursday will mark the 9th hearing of the committee, which has worked to highlight the central role former President Donald Trump played ahead of and during the attack.
— Joey Garrison
What is the future for Jan. 6 committee members?
Weeks away from the midterms, seven Jan. 6 committee members are gearing up for key races in their home districts while three others will not be returning to Congress next term.
Committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., was defeated in Wyoming’s GOP primary race this August against Trump-backed candidate Harriet Hageman.
Both Republican Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger and Democrat Rep. Stephanie Murphy of Florida announced did not seek reelection.
The remaining committee members face bids to keep their seats on Nov. 8.
Committee chair Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., faces GOP military veteran Brian Flowers, who won the Republican primary earlier this summer.
In Virginia, Democratic Rep. Elaine Luria is running against Navy veteran and Virginia state Sen. Jen Kiggans in Virginia’s 2nd Congressional District.
Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin is running against republican Gregory Coll, a rocket scientist, to keep his seat in Maryland’s 8th Congressional District.
In California, Democrats Adam Schiff, Pete Aguilar and Zoe Lofgren are facing off against Republican primary winners to remain in office.
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Who are the members of the January 6 committee?
The committee is composed of nine members of the House — seven Democrats and two Republicans. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., appointed each member.
Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi serves as the committee chair. He previously worked on legislation to create a bipartisan commission to investigate Jan. 6, but it died in the Senate. Thompson, who also serves as chair of the Homeland Security Committee, sued Trump after Jan. 6 and accused the president of inciting the attack and conspiring with extremist groups.
Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., serves as the vice chair and is one of two Republicans on the committee. Cheney condemned Trump for his role in the attack and voted to impeach him, resulting in her being ousted from GOP leadership for criticizing the former president and those who remain loyal to him.
Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger serves as the other Republican on the committee. Kinzinger was one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump. He has condemned members of his own party and has been an outspoken member of the GOP.
Also on the committee are Democratic Reps. Jamie Raskin of Maryland and Adam Schiff of California, who both served as lead impeachment managers for Trump’s first and second impeachments.
Other Democrat House members include Stephanie Murphy of Florida who co-chairs the Blue Dog Coalition; Pete Aguilar of California, the only Latino representative on the committee; Zoe Lofgren of California, who was involved in prosecuting one of Trump’s impeachment trials and retired Navy commander Elaine Luria of Virginia.
Who else is the committee seeking to testify?
The committee sought testimony from Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, specifically over a phone call Trump made to Vos asking to overturn the results of the election.
The committee expressed interest in speaking again with two Secret Service officials who protected Trump – Anthony Ornato and Robert Engel – after former Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony.
Neither have testified under oath. Cheney said the committee received 800,000 pages of communication from the Secret Service after committee members filed a subpoena in July for text messages reportedly deleted.
The committee also requested former House Speaker Newt Gingrich provide information related to Jan. 6.
More:Former Proud Boys leader pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol attack
Who has testified since the last hearing?
Members of the committee interviewed additional witnesses since the last public hearing in July.
The committee heard from Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, on Sept. 29. She voluntarily agreed to appear before the committee and repeated claims the 2020 election was stolen during her testimony.
Thomas’s lawyer said she voiced concerns over election fraud, condemned the violence on Jan. 6 and answered the committee’s questions.
The committee also heard from Kelli Ward, the head of Arizona’s Republican Party, who declined to answer questions during her subpoenaed testimony, according to a government attorney. Ward was part of a group that cast fake electoral votes for Trump after he lost the state.
The Jan. 6 committee sought a log of her phone calls and text messages. A federal judge decided the committee was within its rights to subpoena Ward for the cell phone records.
What time is Thursday’s Jan. 6 hearing?
The hearing will be at 1 p.m. ET.
Where to watch the Jan. 6 hearing
USA TODAY will air it on its YouTube channel. C-SPAN will also air it, as well as TV networks such as CNN, CBS and MSNBC.
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Will this be the last hearing?
Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., said maybe so when interviewed on “Meet the Press” on Sept. 25.
“It, it may be the last investigative public hearing where we’re going to try to round out the factual narrative,” he said, but held out hope there would be an additional hearing “that lays out all of our legislative recommendations about how to prevent coups, insurrections, political violence and electoral sabotage in the future because this is a clear and present danger that’s continuing up right to this day.”
Cheney suggested at the Texas Tribune Festival Sept. 24 that it is unlikely the upcoming hearing will be the last.
